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PostSubject: hapus subsidi karajaan?   Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:34 pm

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kita nak hapuskan subsidi tapi mereka yang berpendapatan 2000 kebawah kat malaysia ni akan jadi mangsa.

Cuba kita tengok di thailand. Harga minyak takde subsidi tapi harga kereta disana murah. Cuba bandingkan
dengan negara kita. Subsidi cuba dihapuskan tapi harga kereta melambung tinggi. Bukan sahaja minyak ,harga barang keperluan lain pun meningkat.

Ramai yang duduk di bandar rasa tertekan. Gaji di bandar kalau setakat 2000 tak cukup. aku ok kalau subsidi dihapuskan sesuai dengan negara maju tapi dalam masa yang sama tak mau la gaji macam negara membangun. Berapa gaji negara maju ? lebih kurang 40000 ringgit setahun. Ade orang kerja biasa2 ni dapat 40000 setahun? orang keja kilang, kerani, askar, polis pangkat rendah ade dapat 40000 setahun? macam mana nak hapuskan subsidi ? Mati la rakyat macam ni.

Yang paling parah sekali orang melayu. Cina tak payah cakap la.memang gaji diorang rata2 5000 keatas. kalau takde subsidi pun mereka masih relax lagi. Sekarang ni pun orang melayu banyak duduk kat rumah flat, kalau hapus subsidi orang melayu nak dok kat mana? atas pokok?
sia dpt dr intenet..... apa kumin kamu?
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PostSubject: Re: hapus subsidi karajaan?   Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:07 am

subsidi...apa itu tuan pukutarap?? mangkali yang di bandar2 saja yg susah kalau kena begitu...sia tingu urang kampung isteady saja ini, rilek2 kami p memutung...
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PostSubject: Re: hapus subsidi karajaan?   Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:31 am




80% subsidi cuma mainan wayang karajaan bah. cuba kamurang basa karangan di bawah ini.



The story behind 'subsidy'

A man called Maha owns a farm which can produce 10 apples every day. He has 5 workers to operate the farm. Each of them eats 1 apple daily and it is enough to keep them operating the farm normally. The remaining 4 apples, the landlord sells them at RM10 each and he earns RM40.

He uses the RM25 to improve the farm operation and facilities.
He gives RM2.00 to each of his workers and he keeps the remaining RM5.00 as profit.

Day by day, the farm is well developed and all of the 5 workers are happy with the money they can save.

When Maha passed away, a new landlord, Abdul, comes to continue the farm operation. He says to the workers: 'We need to improve the farm quality and redefine our way of thinking. From now on all of you only need to pay RM1.00 for each apple you eat. It is very cheap as the price is RM10 each outside the farm.'

The workers have no choice but to pay RM1.00 for the apple they eat daily. Their earnings decrease from RM2.00 to RM1.00 per person.

As usual, Abdul sells the 4 apples and he gets RM40. He uses RM25 for farm improvement and pays RM10 to his 5 workers. He gets RM5.00 as profit. On top of that, he gets another RM5.00 from the apples that he sells to his workers. In total, he gets RM10 as profit every day.

Soon, the apple price increases to RM20 each. The new landlord gets a higher profit as he gets RM80 for the 4 apples he sells daily.

Then, he decides to give the farming improvement contract to one of his close friend, Samy.

Samy says: 'Apple cost naik, improvement cost also misti naik.'

So, the farm improvement cost increases from RM25 to RM50. In actual fact, the improvement only cost RM30. The remaining RM20, Abdul and Samy share evenly between themselves.

Let's calculate how much Abdul gets daily:

RM10 (from farm improvement cost)
RM20 (Net profit by selling 4 apples: [Gross profit, RM80] - [Improvement cost, RM50] - [Wages RM10] = RM20)
RM5 (from selling apples to his workers)

In total, Abdul gets RM35 daily compare to RM10 initially when he took over the farm from Maha. His profit increases RM25 and the workers are still getting RM1.00 daily per person.

The greedy Abdul does not want to stop there. One day, he says to his fellow workers: 'You see ah, the current market price for one apple is RM20 and you are only paying RM1. See how lucky you are! I have to SUBSIDISE RM19.00 for each of the apple you buy. In total, I need to SUBSIDISE RM95.00 for the apples you buy. This will greatly burden the farm and we might go bankrupt if we continue like this. In order to avoid bankruptcy, I need to increase the apple price that you buy from RM1.00 to RM1.50 and I will bear the remaining RM18.50 per apple as my subsidy to you all.'

So, greedy Abdul adds another RM2.50 to his current profit and the number becomes RM37.50.

After you have read the story, I am sure you have already understood the meaning of 'SUBSIDY' given by the government.

The RM95 subsidy never existed in the first place and so was the RM52 billion fuel subsidy generously 'given' by the government

Cutting fuel subsidy is actually just a reason to steal money from your pocket .

Greed knows NO bounds .... ! ! !







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PostSubject: Re: hapus subsidi karajaan?   Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:38 am

pindik serita,duit rakyat masuk pakit yb la ini kannn....hmmmmm..........
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PostSubject: Re: hapus subsidi karajaan?   Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:30 pm

*SuRuN* wrote:
subsidi...apa itu tuan pukutarap?? mangkali yang di bandar2 saja yg susah kalau kena begitu...sia tingu urang kampung isteady saja ini, rilek2 kami p memutung...
bila subsidi ilang, haraga barangan naik..... urang di bandar ada karaja, gaji ribu2..... masalah sikit sj bila haraga naik..... urang kg yg indada karaja, yg tanam padi sj (sikarang oklah gata mahal, tp sampai bila2kah itu gata mahal?) turut sama takana kanaikan haraga barangan..... mangkali lebi mahal lg pasal di kg2..... masa ada subsidi pun sdh mahal sedia..... dingan serita terbaru ttg haraga minyak yg sapatutnya murah di malasia (ada di tupik lain), inda ngam kanapa sini malasia mahal...... dan inda buli bagi subsidi......
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PostSubject: Re: hapus subsidi karajaan?   Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:59 pm

Mainan karajaan baini subsidi.. suba kalau karajaan jual minyak petrul/disel dalam negara dgn harga yg murah, tantu indada alasan peniaga mau kasi mahal itu barang runsit.
pandapat si orut..80% sabap2 kenaikan kos pengeluaran dan penghantaran barang adalah kerana kenaikan haraga minyak petrul/diesel. bill karan naik sabap disel yg bikin kasi idup injin mahal. kos bikin biskut tinggi karana kilang biskut bayar bill karan tinggi. kos penghantaran naik sebab minyak bikin idup kapal laut dan ruli2 mahal. jd semua berpunsa daripada harga minyak mahal.

Apa bezanya kalau karajaan jual minyak rm1 satu liter tanpa subsidi, berbanding dengan jual rm2 per liter tp kemudian kunun2 kasi subsidi rm1 setiap liter? (suntu sj bah). ..

Apa yg penting ialah ketelusan kerajaan..bukan subsidi yg dilaung-laungkan. Nah..apa lagi kalau sudah pun karajaan jual minyak mahal2 (ikut pasaran dunia) kapada rakyat sendiri, yg sebenarnya turut berhak atas hasil bumi dlm negara sendiri..ditarik balik lg pula subsidi yg digubal oleh kerajaan selama ini?

suba kita pikir..kanapa karajaan inda bagi subsidi kepada barang2 yg diimport?

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PostSubject: Re: hapus subsidi karajaan?   Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:03 pm

Yorut_orut wrote:
80% subsidi cuma mainan wayang karajaan bah. cuba kamurang basa karangan di bawah ini.

The story behind 'subsidy'

A man called Maha owns a farm which can produce 10 apples every day. He has 5 workers to operate the farm. Each of them eats 1 apple daily and it is enough to keep them operating the farm normally. The remaining 4 apples, the landlord sells them at RM10 each and he earns RM40.

He uses the RM25 to improve the farm operation and facilities.
He gives RM2.00 to each of his workers and he keeps the remaining RM5.00 as profit.

Day by day, the farm is well developed and all of the 5 workers are happy with the money they can save.

When Maha passed away, a new landlord, Abdul, comes to continue the farm operation. He says to the workers: 'We need to improve the farm quality and redefine our way of thinking. From now on all of you only need to pay RM1.00 for each apple you eat. It is very cheap as the price is RM10 each outside the farm.'

The workers have no choice but to pay RM1.00 for the apple they eat daily. Their earnings decrease from RM2.00 to RM1.00 per person.

As usual, Abdul sells the 4 apples and he gets RM40. He uses RM25 for farm improvement and pays RM10 to his 5 workers. He gets RM5.00 as profit. On top of that, he gets another RM5.00 from the apples that he sells to his workers. In total, he gets RM10 as profit every day.

Soon, the apple price increases to RM20 each. The new landlord gets a higher profit as he gets RM80 for the 4 apples he sells daily.

Then, he decides to give the farming improvement contract to one of his close friend, Samy.

Samy says: 'Apple cost naik, improvement cost also misti naik.'

So, the farm improvement cost increases from RM25 to RM50. In actual fact, the improvement only cost RM30. The remaining RM20, Abdul and Samy share evenly between themselves.

Let's calculate how much Abdul gets daily:

RM10 (from farm improvement cost)
RM20 (Net profit by selling 4 apples: [Gross profit, RM80] - [Improvement cost, RM50] - [Wages RM10] = RM20)
RM5 (from selling apples to his workers)

In total, Abdul gets RM35 daily compare to RM10 initially when he took over the farm from Maha. His profit increases RM25 and the workers are still getting RM1.00 daily per person.

The greedy Abdul does not want to stop there. One day, he says to his fellow workers: 'You see ah, the current market price for one apple is RM20 and you are only paying RM1. See how lucky you are! I have to SUBSIDISE RM19.00 for each of the apple you buy. In total, I need to SUBSIDISE RM95.00 for the apples you buy. This will greatly burden the farm and we might go bankrupt if we continue like this. In order to avoid bankruptcy, I need to increase the apple price that you buy from RM1.00 to RM1.50 and I will bear the remaining RM18.50 per apple as my subsidy to you all.'

So, greedy Abdul adds another RM2.50 to his current profit and the number becomes RM37.50.

After you have read the story, I am sure you have already understood the meaning of 'SUBSIDY' given by the government.

The RM95 subsidy never existed in the first place and so was the RM52 billion fuel subsidy generously 'given' by the government

Cutting fuel subsidy is actually just a reason to steal money from your pocket .

Greed knows NO bounds .... ! ! !
santik itu suntu 'subsidi'..... nt sia mo apal, mo bikin kelintung urang..... Very Happy hihihihiiii.... indada subsidi lansung rupanya......
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PostSubject: Re: hapus subsidi karajaan?   Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:24 am

itu labaitu tuan pukutarap.. minyak kerita yg kita beli tu indada subsidi langsung.. malah kita beli mahal lagi.. sepatutnya kita bayar kos pengerudian dan pengedaran minyak itu sahaja sebab minyak ini kita punya bah.. bukan minyak import.

Ada beberapa barang runsit spt gula, baras, tapung, miak masak ..yg kununnya diberi sasidi uli karajaan.. kanapa karajaan beri sapsidi? karjaan talampau bagus kah? saya pikir bukan karajaan talampau bagus tapi karajaan talampau untung hasil jualan minyak, lagi pula kenaikan kos pengeluaran dan penghantaran adalah berpunca dari minyak yg karajaan jual mahal2 sama rakyat. jd pikir punya pikir..sapsidi baras, gula, tapung, miak masak ini.. 2x5 saja dengan sapsidi miak peturul, biarpun harga barangan ini bukan karajaan yg kasi mahal tapi berpunsa dari karajaan juga.
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PostSubject: Re: hapus subsidi karajaan?   Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:58 pm

sabsidi yg kunun ada, hihihihiiii...... padahal jalan mo kasi mahal lg, jln mo dpt untung lagi basar......
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PostSubject: Re: hapus subsidi karajaan?   Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:38 am

suba kita pikir bah.. karajaan jual minyak petrol/disel mahal2 sama rakyat.. lalu kos pengeluaran dan penghantaran meningkat, kemudian harga barang terpaksa dinaikkan oleh pengilang, pengedar, dan peruncit. uli kerana harga barang naik maka jd kerajaan bagi sapsidi kunun utk beberapa barangan runsit. Nah suba kita tulak campur darap bahagi.. mana yg banyak, keuntungan hasil jualan minyak yg di jual mahal kepada rakyat kah, atau kerugian kerana pemberian sapsidi?... Sandiwara saja bah..

Maka nya menurut si orut, 80% adalah subsidi sandiwara. cuma 20% subsidi yg betul ..spt subsidi baja dan yg sewaktu dgnnya..
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PostSubject: Re: hapus subsidi karajaan?   Fri Jan 14, 2011 2:31 pm

sia translet dr serita di atas.....

si maha ada kabun epel, hasil 10 biji sahari
dia ada 5 pakarja, tiap hari makan epel 1 biji saturang
baki 4 biji si maha jual rm10 sebiji.... dia dpt rm40

si maha guna rm25 utk kasi tingkat lg pengurusan ladang dia
dia gaji rm2 saturang setiap pakarja dia
baki rm5 jd keuntungan dia

kabun makin maju
samua pakarja gumbira dgn duit simpanan diurang

bila si maha mati, pemilik baru, si abdul menuruskan uperasi kabun epel
dia bilang sama pakarja, "kita mo kasi impruf lg kualiti kabun... dan kasi bagus pemikiran..... dr sikarang, kamu kana bayar rm1 sj sebiji epel yg kamu makan.... murah butul tu kalou banding di luar rm10 sebiji....."

pakarja indada pilihan, tarpaksa bayar rm1 tiap epel diurang makan tiap hari.....
gaji diurang tinggal rm1 saturang sahari

spt biasa, si abdul jual 4 epel dan dpt rm40.....
dia guna rm25 utk peningkatan kabun & bayar rm10 kpd 5 pakarjanya
dia masih ada untung rm5
dia juga dpt rm5 drpd epel yg dimakan pakarjanya
untung keseluruhannya rm5 + rm5 = rm10 satiap hari

inda lama, harga epel naik rm20 sebiji
si abdul makin untung basar iaitu rm80 utk 4 epel yg dijual satiap hari

kemudian dia kasi kuntrik sama kawan dia, si samy, utk kasi tingkat lg itu kabun
si samy sakap, "haraga epel naik, kos pambangunan juga misti naik...."

maka kos pambangunan kabun naik dr rm25 dulu pigi rm50..... kos pambangunan sabanar suma rm30..... baki rm20 diurang bagi2 antara si abdul sama si samy

barapa si abdul dpt satiap hari?
rm10 (drpd kos pambangunan kabun)
rm20 (drpd jualan 4 biji epel = rm80 - kos pambangunan rm50 - gajipakarja rm10)
rm5 (jualan epel sama pakarja)

jumlah si abdul dpt, rm35 satiap hari berbanding suma rm10 pd mula2 dia ambil alih kabun dr si maha.....
keuntungan dia naik rm25, tp pakarja masi dpt gaji rm1 saturang satiap hari

si abdul masi bulum puas ati..... satu ari dia sakap sama pakarja dia.... "pasaran epel sikarang rm20 sebiji tp kamu suma bayar rm1..... tingu, betuah butul kamu pasal sia bagi sabsidi rm19 utk satiap epel yg kamu makan..... keseluruhannya sia sabsidi rm95 utk samua epel kamu..... ini sangat mambabankan kabun kita dan buli bingkrap kalou beterusan..... jd utk mengilak drpd bingkrap, sia tarpaksa kasi naik haraga epel yg kamu beli dr rm1 pigi rm1.50.... itupun sia masi lg tarpaksa sabsidi kamu rm18.50 sebiji....."

maka si abdul dpt lg tambahan keuntungan rm2.50.... sampur untung sebulum ini, jumlah sdh rm37.50.....

itulah maksud sabsidi yg karajaan bagi..... sabsidi rm95 sabanarnya wujud ka inda?


bagus butul karajaan oh kasi kita sabsidi..... Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: hapus subsidi karajaan?   Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:18 pm

ui..rajin butul pukutarap kasi translit...tq,tq..tuan.

Jadi sikarang paham lah kita bagaimana serita di sebalik sapsidi itu...
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PostSubject: Re: hapus subsidi karajaan?   Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:43 pm

hihihihiiii sia susa2 marangkak kasi translet baitu supaya sia sanang paham..... Very Happy barulah sia paham butul......
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PostSubject: Re: hapus subsidi karajaan?   Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:54 pm

ya..saya pun sanang paham suda satalah tuan pukutarap translit...
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PostSubject: Re: hapus subsidi karajaan?   Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:24 am

ada subsidi brg murah,tiada subsidi brg mahal,semua brg2 yg bejual dkadai2tu semua ada share sama org2 berkepentingan bah..jd paham2la kamu..dorg pun mo kasi kaya anak cucu dorg juga pasal kita tida tau dlm 10-15tahun lagi negara kita mungkin sama taraf mcm negara2 yg jatuh matawangnya
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PostSubject: Re: hapus subsidi karajaan?   Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:16 am

sedihnya kanaikan haraga barangan inda sama dgn kanaikan gaji bah..... gaji kisil, antara ngara yg paling lambat kasi naik gaji pakarja..... kasian juga kawan2 sia yg karaja karajaan, kalou masam sia inda jugalah talampau sanang tp bulilah kampung2..... harap ini haraga gata inda jatuh talampau murah lagi..... jd indalah talampau tarasa kalou kunun karajaan mo kasi apus sabsidi..... itupun kalou ada.....
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PostSubject: Re: hapus subsidi karajaan?   Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:55 pm

sapsidi minyak gimik sja bah.. tarang2 mengaut untung sj.. adakah patut org kaya2 pun dpt sapsidi juga..mcm org kaya sama tarap dgn org miskin pula sama2 dpt sapsidi.
Biarpun sapsidi itu wayang saja tapi kita suda tebiasa dgn apa yg karajaan bilang sapsidi. jd inda paya apus laba. Hapus sapsidi utk org kaya2, yb2, montiri2, sultan2..baru ngam. mana gia montiri rasa mahal tu minyak pasal sudah lah banyak duit, kerita khas utk montiri pun ada dengan miak pree ...
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PostSubject: Re: hapus subsidi karajaan?   Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:35 pm

itu minyak bah, sia masi pikir2 kanapa karajaan kunun bilang ada sabsidi.....
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PostSubject: Re: hapus subsidi karajaan?   Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:22 am

Mungkin petronas inda buli berdiri sendiri bah tanpa sokongan rakan kongsi cari gali. Rakan kongsi dia inda mau jual minyak murah kpd rakyat malasia. terpaksa pitrunas akur..jd utk kasi murah sikit maka pitrunas kasi sapsidi..tp sapsidi itu sabanarnya balik sama pitrunas sama rakan kunsi dia juga...pasal hasil jualan minyak itu diurang yg ambil kan.. Takkan kita beli buah bambangan dari si gaman tp duitnya kita bagi sama apek penjual telur.. Laughing Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: hapus subsidi karajaan?   Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:06 pm

subsidi sebenarnya adalah bantuan terus kerajaan kpd rakyat... kalau bentuk lain spt jalanraya, hospital, sekolah... itu mmg sepatutnya & mmg tgjwb... jd tdk perlu dibangga2kan... bayangkan apa jenis kerajaan kalau tdk dpt atau tdk mau membantu rakyat... bagus jgn jd kerajaanlah... jd subsidi adalah bantuan terus kpd rakyat... semua lapisan rakyat dpt menikmatinya...
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PostSubject: Re: hapus subsidi karajaan?   Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:57 pm

Sapsidi minyak pun inda sepatutnya dibangga-banggakan bah..pasal minyak itu hasil bumi kita.. bukan hasil drpd kepintaran kerajaan membuat duit. apa laba bezanya kalau minyak dijual murah dan tidak perlu beri sapsidi?

sepatutnya rakyat cuma membayar kos pengerudian minyak, penulinan, dan pengedaran kerana minyak itu milik kita juga. mcm air bah. kita bukan beli air tapi bayar kos pengagihan air mulai dari empangan, rawatan, dan penyaluran ke setiap rumah. Kenapa kerajaan tidak beri sapsidi utk air juga? Pasal murah kan? jadi minyak pun sepatutnya begitu juga. jual jangan terlalu tinggi kepada rakyat.. harga dalam negara jgn ikut pasaran dunia kerana malaysia adalah pengeluar minyak..minyak yg diexport biar ikut pasaran dunia la. Kenapa arab buli jual minyak murah kepada rakyatnya? Apakah hanya kerana minyak di negara arab banyak? Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: hapus subsidi karajaan?   Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:42 pm

jan bilang minyak..... inda ingat ka kamu taun lalu sibuk urang sakap2 pasal air minum mineral sana arab saudi jauh lebi murah dr sini malasia? lusukan..... sana padang pasir pula yg susa dpt air yg murah haraga air..... sini tampat kita, aduinaaaa......
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PostSubject: Re: hapus subsidi karajaan?   Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:26 am

mungkin masa akan datang, karajaan akan bagi subsidi air juga..hehehehehe.... letrik pun ada subsidi juga kunu bukan? jd mungkin lama2 air pun ada sapsidi.. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: hapus subsidi karajaan?   Sat Jan 22, 2011 3:13 pm

inda mustahil tu, diurang bilang kasi sabsidi padahal indada..... samata2 mo tamba keuntungan sj.....
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PostSubject: Re: hapus subsidi karajaan?   Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:13 pm

qpa macam kalau hapuskan je subsidi tu nanti kita tengok sebelah mana nie perahu mahu tenggelam atau mahu timbul .... kita try dulu nie dulu gimik politik orang ada-ada...
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