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PostSubject: lapas mati pigi mana?   Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:55 pm

sia tepikir2 bah, kita kalou lapas mati pigi mana? sia teingat tadi urang2 yg sia kanal yg sdh mati, mana diurang sikarang tu ah? suba, siapa2 yg ada idea, kasi serita2 sikit.....
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PostSubject: Re: lapas mati pigi mana?   Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:58 pm

uiiinah gaman, sekali saya tinguk itu title..takajut oo sya tadi. hihihi..
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PostSubject: Re: lapas mati pigi mana?   Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:00 pm

inda bah, tadi mati karan sini tampat sia, jd pasang lilinlah, internet pun sia stop. Jd, sia tiba2 tepikir pula urang2 yg sia kanal yg sdh mati, tepikir pula sia di mana sdh diurang sikarang tu..... suba gia kao kasi share2 pandapat saturang sigu?
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PostSubject: Re: lapas mati pigi mana?   Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:08 pm

kalau saurang sigu, dimata dia semua urang sigu bah..hihihi. gurau aa gamangs. jgn marah.

Saya kurang pasti gamang dari segi agama, mana sebenarnya org yg telah pun meninggal ini berada. rasa2nya misti ada penerangan itu dlm kitab juga tu..

Tapi klu mengikut ugama labus, msiti dia org semua sudah sampai ke destinasi mereka iaitu gunung kinabalu. di rehatkan sementara dan mungkin menunggu turn dan izin dari kinoringan utk hinggap di fizikal2 org tertentu mengikut kharmanya. contohnya klu di masa hayatnya dia seorang yg bersikap womanizer, mungkin pada masa hayat akan datang dia akan susah dapat perempuan atau nasibnya sering di benci perempuan..
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PostSubject: Re: lapas mati pigi mana?   Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:21 pm

oo begitukah? jd, masa sikarang ini, hari basar bulum sampai, apalah diurang buat tu? diurang si tuang bush & wewin mungkin buli share2 idea diurang..... mana diurang ni, ransak sikit kita binsang2.....
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PostSubject: Re: lapas mati pigi mana?   Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:29 pm

ya kita tunggu pendapat2 bernas diaurang..
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PostSubject: Re: lapas mati pigi mana?   Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:47 pm

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sia tepikir2 bah, kita kalou lapas mati pigi mana? sia teingat tadi urang2 yg sia kanal yg sdh mati, mana diurang sikarang tu ah? suba, siapa2 yg ada idea, kasi serita2 sikit.....

Lapas mati jasad itu tatap dalam kuburlah. Tapi rohnya kembali kepada Tuhan. Itu bible sakaplah. Ertinya roh dia urusan Tuhan sudah. Tuhan mau kasi tidur roh dia sampai hari pengadilan kah itu kita inda tau. ada juga urang bilang roh urang mati turus pigi suruga atau naraka. Tapi bagi saya, saya inda parcaya begitu sabap bible bilang ada kabangkitan pada hari kiamat. Kalau ruh itu sudah di suruga atau naraka, bikin apa lagi ada kabangkitan?
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PostSubject: Re: lapas mati pigi mana?   Sat Sep 27, 2008 6:07 pm

masam lujik juga..... yakan, mgkin Tuhan kasi tidur sampai masa kabangkitan..... masam lujik juga ini idea....
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PostSubject: Re: lapas mati pigi mana?   Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:52 am

drpd tred 'batapa kerdilnya kita', sia tepikir pula ttg tupik sia ini...... mungkinkah bila kita mati, kita mati begitu sj, turus indada apa2 lagi..... masam puku kayu, kana tabang turus indada apa2 lg tinggal..... apa pandpt kamu?
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PostSubject: Re: lapas mati pigi mana?   Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:58 am

Baru2 ini saya terbaca satu artikel mengenai mati ini. dlm agama hindu ada satu kitaran hidup antara mati dan dihidupkan semula atau lahir semula beberapa kali..sebelum rohnya betul2 di bebaskan menjadi satu jasad abadi. ertinya tiada lagi kematian dan kelahiran semula.
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PostSubject: Re: lapas mati pigi mana?   Wed Oct 01, 2008 3:09 am

atau, kita manusia sj ni yg rasa2 begitu.....

1. pasal yg mati rasa barat hati mo kasi tinggal urang2 yg disayangi, jd dia mangharap akan jumpa balik
2. pasal kaluarga si mati sedih butul, jd masi sagar dlm ingatan, dgn harapan ahli kaluarga yg mati itu akan tatap barsama2 dlm doa
3. utk mangawal parangai manusia supaya inda buat jahat2 sabap takut nt lapas mati akan mandpt balasan, sabap kalou tau lapas mati indada apa2 sdh, nah barabislah mo buat apa sj yg dia suka masa hidup

jadi, karana ada pikiran2 begini, kita tarasa & parsaya yg ada 'sasuatu' lagi lapas mati..... hihihhiiii, kita binsang2 sj...... ok bah kannnn....
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PostSubject: Re: lapas mati pigi mana?   Wed Oct 01, 2008 3:22 am

Ya gaman, kita binsang2 sj. ini pemahaman psikologi bah ini, bagaimana pun dari segi spiritual, memang tidak dapat di nafikan memang ada sesuatu yg berada di luar pengetahuan manusia. memang dalam setiap kitab ada kepersayaan masing2..namun jarang org sedar..setiap kata dari tuhan masing2 mempunyai 3 makna..pertama terang..maksudnya perkataan terus terang dari tuhan ini seperti larang 'jangan mencuri', keduanya bahasa sindiran yg memerlukan org2 pakar agama mentafsirkannya..dam ketiganya..hanya tuhan saja yg tau apa erti sebenar..

Ps: Ainahh gaman, klu cerita sy offtopik, sy minta maaf ya. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: lapas mati pigi mana?   Wed Oct 01, 2008 3:26 am

hihihihii.... ok bah gaman, hantam sj..... itulah sia bilang tu, munkin pasal saikuluji sj maka kita rasa2 ada lagi 'sasuatu' lapas mati..... pasal adanya puin2 yg sia sakap di atas tu....
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PostSubject: Re: lapas mati pigi mana?   Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:13 am

Deut 29:29 The secret things belong to the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong to us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

Memang ada sesuatu hal yang Tuhan tidak benarkan manusia mengetahuinya. Mungkin ke mana roh selepas berpisah dari jasad adalah salah satu secret things belong to God. Kalaulah benar roh orang mati dapat melihat keluarga dan relatives dia yang masih hidup.. betapa bagusnya kalau kita yang masih hidup menghormati mereka2 yang sudah mati!

Adeh...macam kepercayaan orang cina pula....hihihii...
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PostSubject: Re: lapas mati pigi mana?   Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:02 am

uiiiiii...... bagus ini ayat kao yorut..... ya, the secret things belong to God.....
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PostSubject: Re: lapas mati pigi mana?   Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:03 pm

In Indian religions, Moksha (Sanskrit: मोक्ष mōkṣa, liberation or salvation) or Mukti (Sanskrit: मुक्ति, release) is liberation from samsara, the cycle of death and rebirth or reincarnation and all of the suffering and limitation of worldly existence. In Hindu philosophy, it is seen as a transcendence of phenomenal being, a state of higher consciousness, in which matter, energy, time, space, causation (karma) and the other features of empirical reality are understood as maya.

Liberation is experienced in this very life as a dissolution of the sense of self as an egoistic personality by which the underlying, eternal, pure spirit is uncovered. This desireless state concludes the yogic path through which conditioned mentality-materiality or nama-roopa (lit. name-form) has been dissolved uncovering one's eternal identity prior to the mind/spirit's identification with material form. Liberation is achieved by (and accompanied with) the complete stilling of all passions a state of being known as Nirvana. Buddhist thought differs slightly from the Advaita Vedantist reading of liberation.

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PostSubject: Re: lapas mati pigi mana?   Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:11 pm

In India the concept of reincarnation is first recorded in the Bhagavad Gita. According to Hinduism, the soul (atman) is immortal, while the body is subject to birth and death. The Bhagavad Gita states that:

Worn-out garments are shed by the body; Worn-out bodies are shed by the dweller within the body. New bodies are donned by the dweller, like garments.

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PostSubject: Re: lapas mati pigi mana?   Thu Oct 02, 2008 12:11 am

dalam filem RATATOULIE... cerita pasal tikus yang jadi chef tu... si LINGUINI bilang

"my mother already dead... but she is christian... she believe in heaven so she is covered"...
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PostSubject: Re: lapas mati pigi mana?   Thu Oct 02, 2008 11:55 pm

Dr Sam Parnia dari New York City adalah doktor berkaliber dunia yang mempelajari kematian. dia bekerja sama dengan 25 rumah sakit2 besar di amerika eropa dan kanada. Saya ringkas inti dari artikel ini kurang lebih sbb:
Dalam penelitiannya melalui wawancara dengan orang yang mati beberapa menit dan hidup kembali di rumah2 sakit besar ini dia menyimpulkan bahwa pada waktu otak berhenti bekerja manusia masih punya kesadaran.

Ini dibuktikan dengan cara sederhana saja Orang itu disuruh cerita keadaan sekitar nya waktu dia mati. Misal dia lihat doktor ini sedang melakukan pemeriksaan apa, suster ini dalam posisi apa waktu dia mati dll. Ternyata mereka bisa menjelaskan. Bukankah ini memperkuat ajarang Tuhan Yesus bahwa manusia mempunyai jiwa/roh yang setelah mati masih bisa berpikir, sakit(kalau dineraka) dan senang kalau disurga.
Untuk detailnya boleh dibaca cerita dibawah ini.

fellow at New York City's Weill Cornell Medical Center, Dr. Sam Parnia is one of the world's leading experts on the scientific study of death. Last week Parnia and his colleagues at the Human Consciousness Project announced their first major undertaking: a 3-year exploration of the biology behind "out-of-body" experiences. The study, known as AWARE (AWAreness during REsuscitation), involves the collaboration of 25 major medical centers through Europe, Canada and the U.S. and will examine some 1,500 survivors of cardiac arrest. TIME spoke with Parnia about the project's origins, its skeptics and the difference between the mind and the brain.


What sort of methods will this project use to try and verify people's claims of "near-death" experience?


When your heart stops beating, there is no blood getting to your brain. And so what happens is that within about 10 sec., brain activity ceases - as you would imagine. Yet paradoxically, 10% or 20% of people who are then brought back to life from that period, which may be a few minutes or over an hour, will report having consciousness. So the key thing here is, Are these real, or is it some sort of illusion? So the only way to tell is to have pictures only visible from the ceiling and nowhere else, because they claim they can see everything from the ceiling. So if we then get a series of 200 or 300 people who all were clinically dead, and yet they're able to come back and tell us what we were doing and were able see those pictures, that confirms consciousness really was continuing even though the brain wasn't functioning.


How does this project relate to society's perception of death?


People commonly perceive death as being a moment - you're either dead or you're alive. And that's a social definition we have. But the clinical definition we use is when the heart stops beating, the lungs stop working, and as a consequence the brain itself stops working. When doctors shine a light into someone's pupil, it's to demonstrate that there is no reflex present. The eye reflex is mediated by the brain stem, and that's the area that keeps us alive; if that doesn't work, then that means that the brain itself isn't working. At that point, I'll call a nurse into the room so I can certify that this patient is dead. Fifty years ago, people couldn't survive after that.


How is technology challenging the perception that death is a moment?


Nowadays, we have technology that's improved so that we can bring people back to life. In fact, there are drugs being developed right now - who knows if they'll ever make it to the market - that may actually slow down the process of brain-cell injury and death. Imagine you fast-forward to 10 years down the line; and you've given a patient, whose heart has just stopped, this amazing drug; and actually what it does is, it slows everything down so that the things that would've happened over an hour, now happen over two days. As medicine progresses, we will end up with lots and lots of ethical questions.


But what is happening to the individual at that time? What's really going on? Because there is a lack of blood flow, the cells go into a kind of a frenzy to keep themselves alive. And within about 5 min. or so they start to damage or change. After an hour or so the damage is so great that even if we restart the heart again and pump blood, the person can no longer be viable, because the cells have just been changed too much. And then the cells continue to change so that within a couple of days the body actually decomposes. So it's not a moment; it's a process that actually begins when the heart stops and culminates in the complete loss of the body, the decompositions of all the cells. However, ultimately what matters is, What's going on to a person's mind? What happens to the human mind and consciousness during death? Does that cease immediately as soon as the heart stops? Does it cease activity within the first 2 sec., the first 2 min.? Because we know that cells are continuously changing at that time. Does it stop after 10 min., after half an hour, after an hour? And at this point we don't know.


What was your first interview like with someone who had reported an out-of-body experience?


Eye-opening and very humbling. Because what you see is that, first of all, they are completely genuine people who are not looking for any kind of fame or attention. In many cases they haven't even told anybody else about it because they're afraid of what people will think of them. I have about 500 or so cases of people that I've interviewed since I first started out more than 10 years ago. It's the consistency of the experiences, the reality of what they were describing. I managed to speak to doctors and nurses who had been present who said these patients had told them exactly what had happened, and they couldn't explain it. I actually documented a few of those in my book What Happens When We Die because I wanted people to get both angles - not just the patients' side but also the doctors' side - and see how it feels for the doctors to have a patient come back and tell them what was going on. There was a cardiologist that I spoke with who said he hasn't told anyone else about it because he has no explanation for how this patient could have been able to describe in detail what he had said and done. He was so freaked out by it that he just decided not to think about it anymore.


Why do you think there is such resistance to studies like yours?


Because we're pushing through the boundaries of science, working against assumptions and perceptions that have been fixed. A lot of people hold this idea that, well, when you die, you die; that's it. Death is a moment - you know you're either dead or alive. All these things are not scientifically valid, but they're social perceptions. If you look back at the end of the 19th century, physicists at that time had been working with Newtonian laws of motion, and they really felt they had all the answers to everything that was out there in the universe. When we look at the world around us, Newtonian physics is perfectly sufficient. It explains most things that we deal with. But then it was discovered that actually when you look at motion at really small levels - beyond the level of the atoms - Newton's laws no longer apply. A new physics was needed, hence, we eventually ended up with quantum physics. It caused a lot of controversy - even Einstein himself didn't believe in it.


Now, if you look at the mind, consciousness, and the brain, the assumption that the mind and brain are the same thing is fine for most circumstances, because in 99% of circumstances we can't separate the mind and brain; they work at the exactly the same time. But then there are certain extreme examples, like when the brain shuts down, that we see that this assumption may no longer seem to hold true. So a new science is needed in the same way that we had to have a new quantum physics. The CERN particle accelerator may take us back to our roots. It may take us back to the first moments after the Big Bang, the very beginning. With our study, for the first time, we have the technology and the means to be able to investigate this. To see what happens at the end for us. Does something continue?


(Read about how many Americans believe in guardian angels here.) View this article on Time.com


Related articles on Time.com:

Building Our Brain Trust
A Memoir of Schizophrenia
10 Questions For Elizabeth Edwards
An Unbridgeable Gulf
Scientific Breakthroughs from Mice to Men
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PostSubject: Re: lapas mati pigi mana?   Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:29 am

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sia tepikir2 bah, kita kalou lapas mati pigi mana? sia teingat tadi urang2 yg sia kanal yg sdh mati, mana diurang sikarang tu ah? suba, siapa2 yg ada idea, kasi serita2 sikit.....

ada sia sms kawan sia tadi....dia bilang...mula mula dia kana hantar pi surga...tp dia bilang inda siuk....hari-hari sambayang saja.... so, dia minta DOWNGRADE pi naraka....lg siuk....ada karaoke, casino dan banyak lg la...macam di kk dia bilang... Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: lapas mati pigi mana?   Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:00 am

hahahaaa... mgkin juga...
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PostSubject: Re: lapas mati pigi mana?   Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:14 am

ada org bilang x ada kehidupan selapas kemation, maknanya terus 'blank'..
mgkin org tu cakap sebab x ada buktinya.

tapi bagi kita yg ada pegangan agama, walau apa pun teori/ pdgn org..
kita buat la yg terbaik d dunia. buat kebaikan dsb..peduli apa yg akan berlaku selaps itu..
kita akan mendapat nilai d dunia, d mana kita akan d sanjung dn d ingati..
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PostSubject: Re: lapas mati pigi mana?   Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:37 pm

saya sukung sakapan mu getahkepingan... Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: lapas mati pigi mana?   Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:55 pm

sia pikirpun masam indada apa2 sdh lapas mati, hihihihihiiii...... urang bilang ada surga naraka, pasal itu satu2nya sara masamana mo buat urang supaya inda mangganas jahat..... supaya mo buat bagus sj kunun..... pasal takut masuk naraka, pasal mo masuk surga...... Laughing
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