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PostSubject: Mind Your Language Class.   Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:35 pm

Too many people complaining about their difficulties in mastering english language specially such as grammar, how to write and how to speak effectively.

So tell us what can we help you? im not a teacher but others members may be can give their solutions too.
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PostSubject: Re: Mind Your Language Class.   Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:37 pm

ok gaman, jan kasi katawa sia, butul2 nie..... how to use 'had'? please explain to me..... i confuse it with the word have...... Embarassed
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PostSubject: Re: Mind Your Language Class.   Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:05 am

pukutarap wrote:
ok gaman, jan kasi katawa sia, butul2 nie..... how to use 'had'? please explain to me..... i confuse it with the word have...... Embarassed

same with me pukutarap... this is my problem too.
I had a cat = i know this is wrong
I had been to sipadan island 2 weeks ago = how about this? is this corect?
I have been to sipadan Island = how about this? betul ka?
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PostSubject: Re: Mind Your Language Class.   Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:33 pm

how to use had huhh? perhaps all of you are not jocking about this simple tenses. ok nevermind, since i made this room its a my responsibility to answer your questions. but remember friends.. im not an english teacher, im just somebody who love to sharing and collects information and knowledges from other members, a little guidances from me doesn't mean i m the teacher as mentioned here. i m helping accordance to my ability and knowledges.

And this is a form of Past Perfect Tense which could explain it more detaily:

Past Perfect Tense


Examples:

  • You had studied English before you moved to New York.
  • Had you studied English before you moved to New York?
  • You had not studied English before you moved to New York.


USE 1
Completed Action Before Something in the Past

The Past Perfect expresses the idea that something occurred before another action in the past. It can also show that something happened before a specific time in the past.

Examples:

  • I had never seen such a beautiful beach before I went to Kauai.
  • I did not have any money because I had lost my wallet.
  • Tony knew Istanbul so well because he had visited the city several times.
  • Had Susan ever studied Thai before she moved to Thailand?
  • She only understood the movie because she had read the book.
  • Kristine had never been to an opera before last night.
  • We were not able to get a hotel room because we had not booked in advance.
  • A: Had you ever visited the U.S. before your trip in 2006?
    B: Yes, I had been to the U.S. once before.


USE 2
Duration Before Something in the Past (Non-Continuous Verbs)

With Non-Continuous Verbs and some non-continuous uses of Mixed Verbs, we use the Past Perfect to show that something started in the past and continued up until another action in the past.
Examples:

  • We had had that car for ten years before it broke down.
  • By the time Alex finished his studies, he had been in London for over eight years.
  • They felt bad about selling the house because they had owned it for more than forty years.


Although the above use of Past Perfect is normally limited to Non-Continuous Verbs and non-continuous uses of Mixed Verbs, the words "live," "work," "teach," and "study" are sometimes used in this way even though they are NOT Non-Continuous Verbs.

IMPORTANT Specific Times with the Past Perfect

Unlike with the Present Perfect, it is possible to use specific time words or phrases with the Past Perfect. Although this is possible, it is usually not necessary.
Example:

  • She had visited her Japanese relatives once in 1993 before she moved in with them in 1996.


MOREOVER


If the Past Perfect action did occur at a specific time, the Simple Past can be used instead of the Past Perfect when "before" or "after" is used in the sentence. The words "before" and "after" actually tell you what happens first, so the Past Perfect is optional. For this reason, both sentences below are correct.

Examples:

  • She had visited her Japanese relatives once in 1993 before she moved in with them in 1996.
  • She visited her Japanese relatives once in 1993 before she moved in with them in 1996.

HOWEVER

If the Past Perfect is not referring to an action at a specific time, Past Perfect is not optional. Compare the examples below. Here Past Perfect is referring to a lack of experience rather than an action at a specific time. For this reason, Simple Past cannot be used.
Examples:

  • She never saw a bear before she moved to Alaska. Not Correct
  • She had never seen a bear before she moved to Alaska. Correct


ADVERB PLACEMENT


The examples below show the placement for grammar adverbs such as: always, only, never, ever, still, just, etc.
Examples:

  • You had previously studied English before you moved to New York.
  • Had you previously studied English before you moved to New York?


ACTIVE / PASSIVE


Examples:

  • George had repaired many cars before he received his mechanic's license. Active
  • Many cars had been repaired by George before he received his mechanic's license. Passive


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PostSubject: Re: Mind Your Language Class.   Wed Oct 29, 2008 2:55 pm

pukutarap wrote:
ok gaman, jan kasi katawa sia, butul2 nie..... how to use 'had'? please explain to me..... i confuse it with the word have...... Embarassed

had is past tense of have.

Please take a look at these examples given mr gaman.

I have no money; we have no money; you have no money; he has a lot of money; she has a lot of money; they have a lot of money.
I had some money, but now it's all gone. She had some money; we had some money; they had some money.

Those words show possession. "Have" is also used to indicate something I must do, as in "I have to go."

Those words can also be used with another verb to show past tense, like "I have been sick," meaning possibly "I was sick yesterday." "I have been running" could mean "I was running up until a few minutes ago."

am i correct?
please other members put something meaningable to this confusion.
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PostSubject: Re: Mind Your Language Class.   Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:50 pm

tq, tq, tq, tq gaman..... it's very clear to me...... now i understand the usage of 'had'..... you're very good.....
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PostSubject: Re: Mind Your Language Class.   Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:57 pm

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pukutarap wrote:
ok gaman, jan kasi katawa sia, butul2 nie..... how to use 'had'? please explain to me..... i confuse it with the word have...... Embarassed

same with me pukutarap... this is my problem too.
I had a cat = i know this is wrong
I had been to sipadan island 2 weeks ago = how about this? is this corect?
I have been to sipadan Island = how about this? betul ka?

How about you mr yorut? do you satisfied with these explanations?
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PostSubject: Re: Mind Your Language Class.   Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:00 pm

mr.yorut, where are you? teacher alpha is calling you......
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PostSubject: Re: Mind Your Language Class.   Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:25 pm

pukutarap wrote:
mr.yorut, where are you? teacher alpha is calling you......

Here I am sir, teacher alpha. I'm sastified with your explanation... thank you.
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PostSubject: Re: Mind Your Language Class.   Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:56 pm

ok i am happy to hear that.
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PostSubject: Re: Mind Your Language Class.   Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:12 pm

ngam butul si gaman jd sigu....... kalou sigu, sigu jugalah.....
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PostSubject: Re: Mind Your Language Class.   Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:18 pm

hei...pukutarap..you will be punish standing infront of your pc because you talk malayu in thi class...hihihiii... sorry teacher alpha, I terlaugh..
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PostSubject: Re: Mind Your Language Class.   Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:33 pm

hihihiiiiii sorry...... no doubt he's a good english teacher......
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PostSubject: Re: Mind Your Language Class.   Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:24 pm

halo everybody..
can I join this class? my english is very poor..
so, if i did any mistake, please correct me...
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PostSubject: Re: Mind Your Language Class.   Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:19 am

monkey wrote:
halo everybody..
can I join this class? my english is very poor..
so, if i did any mistake, please correct me...

you are welcome...we correct each other ... like a blind man guide a blind man...hihihiiii....
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PostSubject: Re: Mind Your Language Class.   Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:04 am

Yorut_orut wrote:
monkey wrote:
halo everybody..
can I join this class? my english is very poor..
so, if i did any mistake, please correct me...

you are welcome...we correct each other ... like a blind man guide a blind man...hihihiiii....

at least we use the same language....
better than 'a duck talking to a chicken' ( ewaahh..spiking london )
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PostSubject: Re: Mind Your Language Class.   Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:13 am

waaahhh..sir yorut...you so early today ah...
6 sumthing ( in morning) you already wake up ....i still 'berbungkus' with my blanket ..wakakaka

well, good morning sir.
how are you today?
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PostSubject: Re: Mind Your Language Class.   Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:21 am

I am buaya pinsin... no more working... sometime wake up early but sometime very late.. no more fixed timetable..hihihiiiii...
well... i'm very fine yesterday..today..and hopefully tomorrow... and after tomorrow2... Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Mind Your Language Class.   Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:28 am

oohh...i dungot know that crocodile also can pinsin2....
so, before this, what is your position in croc's business...( macam monkey bisness in Animal Planet)
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PostSubject: Re: Mind Your Language Class.   Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:49 am

my biznis ka... scratch MOB lah hahaha... My Own Bisnis hihihiiii....
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PostSubject: Re: Mind Your Language Class.   Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:07 am

ohohohoooooo...
MOB ? wahhh..what kind of business , sir yorut?
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PostSubject: Re: Mind Your Language Class.   Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:27 am

my own busines lah...
My own means ... I don want to share, i don want to tell ..hehehe....
thats my own business lah....Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Mind Your Language Class.   Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:47 pm

monkey wrote:
halo everybody..
can I join this class? my english is very poor..
so, if i did any mistake, please correct me...

You have a good command in english Monkey. everybody know it.

now please teach me how to use this sentence.

1. i had had a cough last night.

2. i have had a cough last night.

which one of the sentences suppose to be correct?

monkey wrote:
halo everybody..
can I join this class? my english is very poor..
so, if i did any mistake, please correct me...

i am confused with this sentence.. which one is should be true 'do' or 'did'? because the word 'did' itself indicates something related to the past.

help me.. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Mind Your Language Class.   Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:14 pm

hihihhiiiii..... i told you...... that's teacher alpha......

yes... or what she meant is her mistakes before this..... so she wants us to correct it, hihihiiiiii..... am i correct monkey?
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PostSubject: Re: Mind Your Language Class.   Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:18 pm

pukutarap wrote:
hihihhiiiii..... i told you...... that's teacher alpha......

yes... or what she meant is her mistakes before this..... so she wants us to correct it, hihihiiiiii..... am i correct monkey?

you too mr Sigu gaman, tell me how to use and which is the correct one?

1. i had had a cough last night.

2. i have had a cough last night.

which one of the sentences suppose to be correct?
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