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PostSubject: Raja2 mau imuniti mutlak   Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:18 pm

Restore our immunity, says Royal
Daily Express 27nov08

Kuala Lumpur
: The immunity of the Malay rulers should be returned to them if the nation wants to see them play a more crucial and assertive role in this 21st Century, the Regent of Negeri Sembilan, Tunku Naquiyuddin Tuanku Jaafar, said Wednesday.

He said that if the rulers were to exercise their duties in a fair, just and impartial manner in protecting the constitution, their sovereignty needed to be protected too. "Thus, full immunity from civil and criminal proceedings should be reconsidered so that the monarchy in Malaysia is on par with other constitutional monarchs around the world," he said at a royal luncheon talk entitled, "The Role of the Constitutional Monarchy in 21st Century", here.

He said royal immunity had been lost for 15 years and it needed to be reclaimed and reinstated for the constitutional monarchy to be restored its full sovereignty to play a more fitting and effective role in the 21st century as the guardian of the Federal Constitution. "If political parties see themselves as representatives of the people, then the rulers see themselves as guardians of the constitution," he said. "With the immunity, the endeavour to safeguard the interests of all communities, to promote peace, prosperity, economic security and good governance can be fulfilled." He said that with regard to the 1993 amendment, the removal of the immunity was a serious matter as Malaysia was probably the only country whose monarchy was without such immunity. "Sovereignity and immunity have always been symbiotic and it becomes nonsensical that a sovereign ruler can be taken to court for trying to protect the best interest of thenation and the people ," he said. He said the rulers must also be protected at all costs from pecuniary embarrassment so that the sovereignty was not tarnished and undermined. "As the highest authority in the land, it is incumbent upon the administration to protect the rulers' integrity and dignity so that the throne is respected without question.

"The overall effect of the abolition of the immunity and the setting up of the special court is indeed quite revolutionary. With no more immunity, rulers can be sued by ordinary citizens and by the state. "If convicted, they could be imprisoned and if they are imprisoned for more than one day, they automatically lose their throne," he said. He said that previously, the Malay rulers relied on Article 71 of the constitution which guarantees the right of the rulers to hold, enjoy and exercise the constitutional rights and privileges as a ruler of that state. It appeared that the guarantee was flawed, for without the immunity the guarantee could not be effected. He said that as the head of the Islamic religion, rulers were duly consulted on most occasions but on a recent fatwa against tomboyism and yoga he was not certain if any member of the royalty had been consulted. If they had not, he encouraged the council to do so. More than 50 people attended the luncheon
organised by the Asian Strategy and Leadership Institute. - Bernama
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PostSubject: Re: Raja2 mau imuniti mutlak   Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:41 pm

inda silap sia, dulu mimang diurang ada imuniti panuh tp pasal banyak butul hal inda bagus diurang buat, nah apa lagi, kana2 lg si mahadir, turus dia buang itu imuniti. Tp pd pikiran sia, ngam juga diurang begini sikarang, kalou diurang bilang inda dpt bg sumbangan sama rayat pasal indada imuniti, masamana yg urang2 biasa sj, yg rayat biasa2 sj..... barmakna, indada imuniti mutlak pun buli tulung urang kalou mimang mo tulung..... ingat pula sia dulu pasal diurang ni ikut suka sj pukul urang..... samua ini sia tingu pasal tamaha kuasa sj.....
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PostSubject: Re: Raja2 mau imuniti mutlak   Fri Nov 28, 2008 4:58 pm

pukutarap wrote:
Restore our immunity, says Royal
Daily Express 27nov08

Kuala Lumpur
: The immunity of the Malay rulers should be returned to them if the nation wants to see them play a more crucial and assertive role in this 21st Century, the Regent of Negeri Sembilan, Tunku Naquiyuddin Tuanku Jaafar, said Wednesday.

He said that if the rulers were to exercise their duties in a fair, just and impartial manner in protecting the constitution, their sovereignty needed to be protected too. "Thus, full immunity from civil and criminal proceedings should be reconsidered so that the monarchy in Malaysia is on par with other constitutional monarchs around the world," he said at a royal luncheon talk entitled, "The Role of the Constitutional Monarchy in 21st Century", here.

He said royal immunity had been lost for 15 years and it needed to be reclaimed and reinstated for the constitutional monarchy to be restored its full sovereignty to play a more fitting and effective role in the 21st century as the guardian of the Federal Constitution. "If political parties see themselves as representatives of the people, then the rulers see themselves as guardians of the constitution," he said. "With the immunity, the endeavour to safeguard the interests of all communities, to promote peace, prosperity, economic security and good governance can be fulfilled." He said that with regard to the 1993 amendment, the removal of the immunity was a serious matter as Malaysia was probably the only country whose monarchy was without such immunity. "Sovereignity and immunity have always been symbiotic and it becomes nonsensical that a sovereign ruler can be taken to court for trying to protect the best interest of thenation and the people ," he said. He said the rulers must also be protected at all costs from pecuniary embarrassment so that the sovereignty was not tarnished and undermined. "As the highest authority in the land, it is incumbent upon the administration to protect the rulers' integrity and dignity so that the throne is respected without question.

"The overall effect of the abolition of the immunity and the setting up of the special court is indeed quite revolutionary. With no more immunity, rulers can be sued by ordinary citizens and by the state. "If convicted, they could be imprisoned and if they are imprisoned for more than one day, they automatically lose their throne," he said. He said that previously, the Malay rulers relied on Article 71 of the constitution which guarantees the right of the rulers to hold, enjoy and exercise the constitutional rights and privileges as a ruler of that state. It appeared that the guarantee was flawed, for without the immunity the guarantee could not be effected. He said that as the head of the Islamic religion, rulers were duly consulted on most occasions but on a recent fatwa against tomboyism and yoga he was not certain if any member of the royalty had been consulted. If they had not, he encouraged the council to do so. More than 50 people attended the luncheon
organised by the Asian Strategy and Leadership Institute. - Bernama

inda paya imunity pun buli buat ini perkara ba... imunity utk "pukul" org ada la...
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PostSubject: Re: Raja2 mau imuniti mutlak   Fri Nov 28, 2008 8:28 pm

masamana dingan imuniti kotuanan malayu sabagai paradana montiri?sadangkan di amarika sudah barubah haluan dengan pemimpin baru dari bansa kulit itam,takkan kita di malaysia tidak bulih borbuat demikian?
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PostSubject: Re: Raja2 mau imuniti mutlak   Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:03 am

dulu sia ada kawan urang johor, dia bilang kalou ada kaluarga sultan mati, urang2 di bandar johor bahru akan pakai kain itam di tangan. Satu ari diurang jln2 di bandar, diurang tanampak itu pulis istana jalan2, sapat2 diurang buka tali kasut diurang itam kasi ikat di tangan, sampai begitu sakali...... diurang bilang ini pulis istana tarkanal butul ganas......

ada 1 lg majlis, masa itu sultan johor turun dr pantas jalan2 di tanah, ada 1 budak kisil kunun talapas dr mama dia turus balari2 dapan itu sultan, turus itu mama manangis sabap dia kompiden akan kana tandanglah itu anak dia..... antah apa angin itu sultan ari tu, dia dukung pula itu anak.... tingu sampai begitu sakali rayat juhur sdh tau masamana parangai urang2 istana.....
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PostSubject: Re: Raja2 mau imuniti mutlak   Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:11 am

Untuk apa lg itu imuniti segala...bilang indon...tidak cukup ka dgn apa yg suda di kasi...wang pree, makan pree...rumah pree..sukai pree...jd apa lagi...ini solzutan2 ini ar..buang karan saja ba ini...membazir sajaaaa.....
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PostSubject: Re: Raja2 mau imuniti mutlak   Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:15 am

butul, tp masam diurang rasa inda sukup pula, sdh sagala2 tanggung beres, diurang mau kuasa mutlak pula, masam Tuhan pula kalou begitu...... padahal diurang pun buli sirit birit masam kita juga.....
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PostSubject: Re: Raja2 mau imuniti mutlak   Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:28 am

Karaja diurang ini....tukang sapu artis2 yg santik...nasib baik si linda Af tu tdk kana sapu..yg lainnya...sudah habis diurang sapu..julia rais, mazuin ( bukan mazuin batu Cool dan ramai lagi...eehh najip pun sapu juga...si rosmah itu bini si ismeth emir ba itu kan...lapas tu dia kasi patai pula si altotoluwnya..si baginda runnernya...eehh baginda inipun minta imuniti jugak ka ini??
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PostSubject: Re: Raja2 mau imuniti mutlak   Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:52 am

Raja-raja bukan keturunan lanun ke?
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PostSubject: Re: Raja2 mau imuniti mutlak   Sat Dec 06, 2008 2:07 am

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Raja-raja bukan keturunan lanun ke?

Ya mimang raja2 ini keturunan lanun..sb dulu, siapa kuat dia raja. Macam krbat Selangor dan Johor, itu sudah terang lagi bersulu..Kesultanan selangor adalah keturunan Raja Haji, Ketua angkatan Bugis yang menyerang selangor dan selangor kalah, maka ketua angkatan itu, jadi raja di sana. Sultan Johor juga keturunan bugis. Pada masa dahulu, kegiatan melanun ini adalah kegiatan yg dianggap murni tanpa rasa bersalah dan tanpa merasa moralnya jijik. Selat melaka adalah tempat utk melanun yg terkenal pd masa lampau dan kapal dagang eropah dan china yg selalu jd mangsa.
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PostSubject: Re: Raja2 mau imuniti mutlak   Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:03 am

patutlah sampai sekarang kegiatan lanun di selat melaka masih wujud, rupanya memang keturunan org jahat2 sejak dulu. Patutlah kerabat2 istana begitu bongkak & sombong (bukan semua), rupanya darah yg mengalir dlm tubuh adalah darah lanun.
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PostSubject: Re: Raja2 mau imuniti mutlak   Sat Dec 06, 2008 7:31 pm

kalou pikir2 lujik, mimang dulu2 masa indada undang2, siapa kuat, paling jahat, manang balawan, ganas, nah jdlah kao katua di tampat itu. Urang yg bagus2 yg inda minat bagaduh, inda suka barabut kuasa, pigi jauh2..... itulah sajarah diurang tu.... bagas urang jahat2.....
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PostSubject: Re: Raja2 mau imuniti mutlak   Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:50 pm

raja-raja di sini malaysia ini koturunan raja malaka bah.dan raja malaka pula koturunan tuan perang srivijaya.barparang saja karaja diurang mula-mula,lapas suda jadi kotua dan jadi sulutan,diurang kasi parakanalkan itu nama daulat supaya urang tidak malawan.
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PostSubject: Re: Raja2 mau imuniti mutlak   Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:05 pm

lapas tu diurang kasi takan butul, kalou malawan, itu darhaka namanya..... sabap tu kalou urang diurang, parkataan darhaka masam talampau buruk butul.... sabap tu sanang2 diurang jd raja.....
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PostSubject: Re: Raja2 mau imuniti mutlak   Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:12 pm

saya tarak setuju kalau ada imuniti ini macam... sedangkan raja2 britain pun ndak ada imuniti macam malaikat kenapa pula kita bagi?

bagaimana pun kalau mereka mau juga.. silakan di negeri mereka masing2.. di sabah dan sarawak jangan luaskan di sini peraturan itu... nanti imunitinya bangkit orang2 kebal yg tak tembus senapang di sabah pula.... itu imuniti tempatan pula he he he
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PostSubject: Re: Raja2 mau imuniti mutlak   Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:06 am

hihihihhihiiiiii kalou begitu, sia pun mau tuan bushido..... itu pulis istanapun takut+gantar..... imuniti kabal.....
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PostSubject: Re: Raja2 mau imuniti mutlak   Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:51 am

saya pun mau satu imuniti juga.
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PostSubject: Re: Raja2 mau imuniti mutlak   Sun Dec 07, 2008 1:07 am

tp kao gaman, inda paya baitu, guna aura kao sj buli sdh.....
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PostSubject: Re: Raja2 mau imuniti mutlak   Sun Dec 07, 2008 2:04 pm

ko pun ada aura bah tuan puku,suma ko saja tidak sadar yang aura ko itu saaaana avatar ayng tortulis baaasar 'jeneral' itu,kira aura juga baitu.borsahaya merah lagi.mositi kalah itu raja-raja kalau bagabung sama aura tuan alpha.
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PostSubject: Re: Raja2 mau imuniti mutlak   Sun Dec 07, 2008 4:48 pm

Macam mana kalu kita jd suluk...macam diurg tun mustapa...tiba2 mgaku datu lah, sultan lah. Jadi bulilah kita garal ko raja muda meck, datu bushido, raja pukutarap, solutan rungkud...macam buli ini kan.. di web si bushido, momogunology, kami ada binsang pasal kesultanan suluk yg kononnya pernah memerintah momogun sb dia paranah porinta ini sabah diurg blang. tapi kami langsung tdk brsetuju sb pemerintahan ini tdk brjalan scara fizikal tp cuma bayangan pemerintahan. Kononnya, sabah ini adalah hadiah sultan brunei kpd sultan sulu krn membantu brunei mnumpaskan musuh. Slpas itu, sultan sulu jual pula sabah ini kpd Syarikat british, tp yg herannya, wlupun sudah jual, sulu masih tuntut bayaran dr krjaan sabah. Adakah sesiapa diantara anda yg brsetuju, org momogun prnah di bawah pemerintahan suluk yg skrang ini kbanyakan mereka hanya tinggal pnjual rokok haram sj di kaki2 5?
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PostSubject: Re: Raja2 mau imuniti mutlak   Sun Dec 07, 2008 7:57 pm

sakapan sultan sulu itu suma dakwaan,sabab nenek muyang saya pun tidak paranah dangar nama sulutan sulu.nama boritish diurang kanal butullah.suba bayangkan,kalau butul itu sulutan sulu itu pomilik sabah,urang-urang kita pasti kanal siapa dia punya sulutan.ini tidak,dakwaan sulutan dari sabarang itu hanyalah helah supaya baaaaanyak lagi dia punya koturunan bulih masuk sabah dangan alasan koistimewaan sabagai bakas pomorintah.tapi kalau satakat sorita pasal mustapa,ada butul juga dia manantang panjajah boritish tapi tidak pula paranah dangar dia mangaku datu atau sulutan.saya dangar ini sarita dari sorang tua di kampung kami yang moninggal pada tahun 2004.kira pakcik jugalah.dia lahir sokitaran awal tahun 1900.jadi dia saritalah...tapi tiada sulutan bah di sabah dia sakap,suma dia ada saangkatan sama si mustapa lawan itu boritish.malah dia tidak paranah tau pun pasal sabah ini pada mulanya milik burunai.mungkin kawasan saaana sipitang sama bopot sajalah...
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PostSubject: Re: Raja2 mau imuniti mutlak   Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:50 pm

Ya bah datuk ninik saya pun tidak pula dia urang hafal mana2 pembesar atau menteri2 dari kesultanan sulu. kalau nama2 org putih adalah.
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PostSubject: Re: Raja2 mau imuniti mutlak   Mon Dec 08, 2008 8:56 am

Kalu di sebelah kota marudu, ada juga crita penentangan ke atas british yg dilakukan oleh sarip osman yg dikatakn dr sulu. tp diurg tdk hiran ba, mimang suka berperang wlupun tanpa sb yg besar..tinguk milf, sampai skrg masih brtempur dgn krjaan polipin.
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PostSubject: Re: Raja2 mau imuniti mutlak   Mon Dec 08, 2008 5:26 pm

samangat parang bah......
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PostSubject: Re: Raja2 mau imuniti mutlak   Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:53 pm

Sabab diurg ini suda biasa baparang ba dr dulu lg..lg satu, diurg ini tdk mau pikir soal2 lain ba, mau maju ka, mau iskulah ka..yg panting dpt brlawan, bukan karana barani...tapi jahat.
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